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naked in john boehner's office, three were arrested. all the girls. john stanton said there are actually people who woke up today and said today, i'm going to get buck naked in front of john boehner's staff and so it is. getting naked is a tactic. a protest tactic and judging by the wide eyed tweets as it happened, today, nudity worked. see you again tomorrow night. now, it's time for "the last word" with lawrence o'donnell. >>> when kelly corey won the oscar for her first screen play 20 years ago, she had no idea that the heroes of her film, thelma and louise were going to become political role models. >> white house is continue to warn of dire consequences for the middle class. >> on friday, he'll return to the stumps. >> he's back on the campaign trail. >> the campaign style tour. >> trying to drum up public support for his budget priorities. >> seems like just another fight in washington. >> there are really two issues there. >> a revenue side, yes. >> where is that revenue going to come from? >> increasing tax rates is going to harm dmik growth. >> warren buffett was out this mornin
and the senate majority leader's office and john boehner's office, the house republicans. but so far what we've seen, at least in the principal, is really just highlighting the differences and how stark the differences are. yes, there have been some republicans who have publicly said they are open to poe tengts tax increases, revenue increases, but even more so we're seeing this entrenchment over the military spending cuts, the unwilling nness to see that and we're seeing on the democratic side the idea that maybe it wouldn't be so bad if we went over the fiscal cliff and kicked the can down the road to the next congress which will be more favorable from the liberal perspective to negotiating on these big picture issues. frankly, i think it would be harder to have a compromise on son-in-law of the entitlement reform that republicans want to see, at least some movement before they will agree before this talk of raising taxes will be anything more than the lip service that you mentioned. >> okay. so ken is suggesting there it's in republicans' interests to do a deal now. jared, the white house
to meet with leaders of the business world this afternoon politico is reporting that john boehner and his leadership team are making plans to meet with some of these very same executives. now the irony here is that obama and boehner still have no plans to meet themselves face-to-face. the two did meet before congress' thanksgiving recess along with the other two three members of the house and the senate. they had plans to meet again this week but still nothing is scheduled. it is not a great sign and shows that the two groups are practically incapable of working together. the last time obama and boehner tried putting together a big deal over the budget, that completely collapsed and this time around, the american people are getting less and less optimistic that congress will be able to reach a deal before the tax hikes and spending cuts kick in just 33 days. it is going to look bad for congress if they cannot get this done and some republicans are saying it's time to give in. politico's also reporting oklahoma representati
are meeting with the white house chief staff. john boehner is having some meetings with business leaders. meanwhile, the staff of the senate and the house and the white house are all meeting -- this purpose of avoiding the fiscal cliff which is now 35 days off or something. so first of all, two questions. how serious is it and what do you think is going to happen? >> it is potentially very serious that is if we hit the fiscal cliff and go over it and it stays in place. the deficit falls by $600 billion, the largest one-year reduction in history but will throw the economy back into a recession. unemployment will go from 7.9% currently to over 9%. i don't think that's going to happen. i do think we'll go over the cliff, not have a deal before it happens. i think it will be fixed shortly after this -- after they storm the castle with pitch forks and torches but this is potentially the worst fiscal policy since the end of the great depression when we went into an austerity program too early and threw the economy back i
and merciful. but he may not be so nice with the republican. turns out, speaker john boehner is back to his old tricks, refusing to compromise in the debt talks and holding the middle class hostage. even right after the election two weeks ago, he was all sunshine and smiles. >> i'm the most reasonable, responsible person here in washington. the president knows this. he knows that he and i can work together. the election is over, now it's time to get to work. it's pretty clear that the president was re-elected. obama care is the law of the land. >> i'm reasonable. i'm responsible. obama care's the law of the land. now, there's a guy the president can work with, right? wrong. politico says that boehner's opening offer to the president is to keep the bush tax cuts, cut entitlements, and postpone cuts to the pentagon. in other words, they haven't budged at all. how is that compromise? how is that reasonable? but it gets worse. speaker boehner now says the health care law should go under the knife. boehner says, quote, we can't afford it. we can't afford to leave it in tact. that's why i've been cle
. and you look everybody is saying it, john boehner, mitch mcconnell peter king lindsay graham, on and on and on. all of these republicans coming out and saying we agree, you can't do it by spending cuts alone. you have got to raise revenues and we're on board, and we're willing to break the grover norquist pledge. these guys have totally recognized the american people agree with obama, and so therefore they are going to change their ways. here is my advise to all of you, all right. don't believe it. this is a con game. this is a shell game that the republicans are playing. let's listen to some of the voices. here for example is saxby channedless. it's valid now but times have changed significantly. and i care more about this country than i do about a 20-year old pledge. >> bill: oh, yeah. he is setting himself up there as oh, man, i love my country, more than i love grover norquist. peter king yesterday. >> i agree entirely, a pledge you signed 18 years ago is for that congress. if i were in congress in 1841 i would have signed the declaration of war agai
. speaker john boehner deserves some leeway to try to mitigate the damage by negotiating a larger tax reform. leeway to negotiate sounds pretty sane to me. for some, of course, that's a great big lump of coal wrapped up as an early christmas present. >> revenue that happens to be the democratic code word for tax increases. that is simply not an acceptable position for any true conservative. republicans were not elected to rubber stamp obama's agenda. >> seems some news personalities may be taking a tax increase on the highest earners somewhat personally. anyway, republicans didn't win the white house or the senate. i wonder what other conservatives have to say about that. >> the republicans are in a shocking amount of disarray right now. the republican party has not developed an alternative idea set other than what mitt romney and paul ryan were campaigning on and sort of by default it has become their opening negotiation position. >> i see. so their opening position is the one that was vigorously debated and comprehensively defeated just three weeks ago. i guess the only question now is, wh
piece is does john boehner have enough running room to strike a deal involving some new revenue. i still am of the belief that the vote in the house, which will be a cliff hanger no matter what happens amongst the leaders in the white house, it will be a tough vote. i think it will be a democratic buildup than a republican buildup. but there's no doubt that if eric cantor is willing to at least vote on a deal that has new revenue, that that is a huge paradigm shift. and i think that gives us all hope, although there's still a long way to go, that there can be a deal that has the president has said for a long time, a balanced approach. >> but ruth, what are the democrats willing to give, because there are some democrats, some of the more liberal democrats who are saying let's go over the cliff. that gives us more leverage. >> there's extremes in both parties that say let's go over the cliff. grover norquist was saying it the other day. i just want to -- before we get to the democrats, i want to be debbie downer for a minute on the republican side. i totally agree with mark. we're hearing
to prejudge it. and we should not be taking iron clad positions. i have faith in john boehner. >> congressman, we have seen this movie before. the bottom line question and, what can speaker boehner sell? if he goes to them and says, look, we cut a deal here, but tax rates have to go up. actual tax rates have to go up on the wealthy, like senator levin just said. can he sell it? >> i think john is going to do all he can to avoid an increase in tax rates. but as senator levin said, you can get the same results by changing deductions, changing exemptions, and that would put more of a tax burden on the rich but it would not affect marginal tax rates. i don't want to prejudge any of it. bottom line, we cannot have sequestration. we cannot go off the fiscal cliff. the election is over. we have a speaker. the democrats have a president. the democrats have harry reid. we have mitch mcconnell. get them in the room. and that's what representative governments should be about. no one gets all they want. if reagan and o'neal can do it, r boehner and obama should be able to do this. >> the last attempt at
asking a question about something. you find out what people -- you and about john boehner, you don't ask about the fiscal cliff or the tax plan. they ask if john boehner is gay. is joe biden, stupid, retards, gay, jewish, smart? these are the smart. these are the things that pop up. >> gay is like always. >> gay is up there. mormon is up there a lot. bill belichick, the patriots coach, is bill bielichick gay, mormon, a cheater. >> sideline cheater. >> it's interesting that this profile, i think people don't maybe appreciate that everything you're searching -- there are people who are putting this all together and saying that's who this guy is. >> that reminds me of a funny story from thanks lelast year. a guy on twitter told his dad twitter was a search engine. so his dad started entering questions into twitter and they went up as posts. some examples, how do you pronounce juan? national geographic dinosaur truth. can i bring a tupperware of chili on an airplane. i don't know if this was real or fake but it was really, really funny. people don't realize, the internet is not a gated commu
with president obama? house speaker john boehner said no way. >> i told tom earlier in our conference meeting that i disagreed with him. you're not going to grow the economy if you raise tax rates on the top two rates. it will hurt small businesses and hurt our economy. >> joining me now from washington, d.c., the democratic senator from washington, patty murray, a member of the senate budget committee. it is great to have you on the program. >> well, thank you, alex. nice to chat with you. >> senator, let's talk about the fiscal cliff. increasingly we are referring to it as the fiscal curve, possibly among some folks in our circle, the fiscal mole hill. you have advocated going over the fiscal cliff as a way for both democrats and republicans to make a deal and i will call to mind -- i will call to everyone's attention comments you made at the brookings institution this summer when you said if the bush tax cuts expire every proposal will be a tax cut proposal and the norquist pledge will no longer keep republicans boxed in and unable to compromise. which would seem to be good news for republ
conferences every week. they run the retreats. >> run the retreats? >> john boehner -- >> you're getting in deeper and deeper. >> they run the caucus meetings every week. she runs the caucus, decides which speakers come in. vice chair of the caucus, lynn jenkins, virginia fox -- >> what's a more important position, chairman and vice chairman of the caucus or speaker of the house -- >> or committee chair. >> any of the committees. >> caucus chairman trumps the committee chairmanship. i've been both. i've been in the leadership and i've been a committee chair. look, you only had one woman in contentious for committee chairmanman ship, candace miller. they're knife fights. when the caucus was allowed to speak, they elected -- they selected the woman. unfortunately, you know -- >> a bloomberg article points out uncomfortable optics, the white republican house is going to present. quote, the visuals will be striking when the house debates whether to overhaul the country's tax code and consider ways to keep the costs in social security and medicare under control. white males of the republican
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or, b, limit deductions. but you know what the speaker of the house said the other day, john boehner, he said he's willing to do the latter. now you just saw what chambliss said. so is the era of grover and his you ubiquitous pledge over? >> no. i think grover deserves a great deal of credit for keeping that pledge to the american people and holding republicans' feet to the fire. gregg: is it over now? >> no. we have a different set of circumstances. perhaps what the democrats should have had is their own grover norquist on spending, and we wouldn't be in the mess we find ourselves in. but here's the reality, gregg.me for the status quo. nothing's changed since two months ago. we have basically the same makeup in government. obama controls the white house, we control the house, democrats controls the senate. but guess what? the american people don't expect a status quo in governance. gregg: there's a recent rasmussen poll and, juan, i want you to take a look as well, 57% agree that raising taxes on those making more than $250,000 a year is a good idea. can you put that up on the scre
john boehner needs to go. i think it needs to be a kevin mccarthy as well as in the senate. you know, we need new leadership. marco rubio would be a great senate minority leader, and it's bold, but we need the change in washington d.c. heather: but in the meantime, we have what we have right now, we are just a matter of weeks away, so what do you think they need to do, and do you think that president obama will take the lead with dwoarks this time around? -- with negotiations this time around? >> absolutely. and he has started to take the lead. he's met with congressional leaders, the ones that we have, and i don't think that those are going to change, and we're going to see another meeting the in just a few days. but what i think really needs to happen is that republicans are finally going to have to stop letting grover norquist and his pledge hold our economy hostage. and the great thing that we have seen in the last few days is that some republicans are finally saying, guess what? i'm actually going to put the country first instead of some pledge i took 20 years ago, for example,
reid, mitch mcconnell, john boehner, nancy pelosi will be serious. going over the cliff doesn't make any sense. >> we all remember the t.a.r.p. vote that you reference. that really didn't come to a resolution until the markets -- i would argue -- scared washington. i wonder how important you think that is this time? do stocks need to fall before the two sides really get committed at the table? >> that is a terrific question. that's the main question. in two days we lost 1,600 points in the markets. it took us a lot longer time to come back and recover. i sat there and stared defeat in the face. we can't do it now. the markets will respond to certainty. that's what congress needs to give american business and american people. certainty about taxes. certainty about spending in congress and certainty about our commitment to lower the debt. >> how do you argue that you are considering all elements of reform if in fact you're going to stick by the norquist pledge. is there anything wrong with as senator graham has said with saying i made that pledge back then but my job is to be a senator
bring some hope to john boehner, the man in charge of actually negotiating this deal with the president. after the election, the speaker did say increased revenues were acceptable if coupled with entitlement reform. but will it be supported in the house? that's where grover is seen as more of a legend than a lobbyist. some are signaling the tax debate does not start and end with this old pledge. eric cantor, who was adamant last time about opposing any revenue increase hit that note on msnbc just this morning. >> there's a lot that has been said about this pledge, and i will tell you when i go to the constituents that have re-elected me, it is not about that pledge, it really is about trying to solve problems. john boehner went to the white house ten days ago and said republicans in the house were willing to put revenues on the table. that was a big move. >> by the standards of republican politics, ben, that was a big move. and eric cantor is doing something pretty important there. i just want to say before we go into all of the nitty-gritty details, tell us about what it means for eric
it takes to communicate a sense of urgency. >> on the other side of pennsylvania avenue, john boehner says he thinks there is a way to avoid that cliff. >> it's time for the president and democrats to get serious about the spending problem that our country has, but i'm optimistic we can continue to work together to avert this crisis and sooner rather than later. >> and look who's coming to lunch. mitt romney will break bread with the president at the white house tomorrow. >> pledge of allegiance, anti-tax crusader grover norquist warns republicans against breaking their promise. >> it is possible if the republicans lose in such a way they've got their fingerprints on the murder weapon, then you have a problem. bush couldn't run again in '92 successfully because he had his fingerprints on a very bad deal, bad on spending and bad on taxes and he broke his word. >> what is alan simpson's message to grover? we'll ask him in a few minutes. >> how do you deal with guys who came to stop government or grover wandering the earth in his white robe saying he wants to drown government in the bathtub.
out between president obama and john boehner. >> i guess so. because dick durbin himself has been confusing in what he's been saying publicly. on sunday he said sure medicare and medicaid can be part of the discussion. today he's giving a speech where it should not be part of the conversation. there this morning he's saying once we get into a room, we can start talking about it. and there are ways that i think liberals would agree to do medicare and medicaid. you know, if you're tinkering on the supplier side like, you know, say medical device companies or something, or reimporting drugs from canada, or allowing medicare to negotiate, or reduce price, or add a public option to health care reform. you know, that would save money. so there are things that democrats would do when it comes to entitlements that would save money. and maybe that's what dick durbin is talking about, but those are the exact opposite of the things that republicans would want to do when it comes to entitlements. so harry reid's strategy might be the easiest one. just say, look, this is not part of the conver
to table on certain things, as did john boehner, unfortunat unfortunatea tea party guys came to the table. neil: that is mark. >> once again year irrelevant. this is the tea party guys fault. this is against mainstream, all of them want big spending, that is what they are looking for, maintaining a big government is in their interest, people cannotment it any more despite electoral results exit polling show people' less deficit, less debt they are worried about long terlong-term financial security. >> they said they would like to raise taxes on 1% of earners. >> they are so evil. >> thank you very much. you might have heard about this you get a blue flu shot every year this time, what if i told you, there is a place, you don't get a flu shot, you loss your job. talk about a real needle in the hype i, after this. -- heine i, after this. so, you actually reward people for staying with you? yep. the longer you stay with us, the more you save. and when you switch from another company to us, we even reward you for the time you spent there. genius. yeah, genius. you guysust have your own loyalt
the debt limit unless forced to by john boehner. >> and by the way, john boehner is talking about having to get the majority of a majority on tax issues. he's not going to get a majority of majority on debt raising. >> much harder on the debt ceiling than taxes. >> that's what i'm saying. i refuse to vote to raise a debt ceiling when they were trying to raise it to $5 trillion. it's something you don't do unless you get a lot of cuts on the other side. >> and it's not a game. because if you don't raise it, we saw what happened last time, you can get your debt downgraded and has real economic consequenc consequences. and that's why when people think about the fiscal cliff, we all assume that sane minds will prevail and they'll come up with some deal. there's no guarantee that sane minds will prevail. and recent history would suggest that sanity almost never prevails in washington. so you can assume it's going to be more difficult than we think. you can assume that the bush tax cuts might all go away for a short period of time. and you cannot assume they just raise the debt limit. you cann
and what they are. is allowed john boehner and mitch mcconnell to govern recently. it's about the republican governors passed out ushers at the red states for the 24 states republican governors, republican legislature. blue are the 13 of 40 state spending on how you count new york, 13 of 14 state that a democratic governor and a democratic house and senate. and there you see the red states are not raising taxes. they're cutting taxes in the red states and blue states are raising taxes rather than reforming government. so the fight we're having in washington where there's gridlock in the stage of the opposite of gridlock. for the last two years. "new york times" wrote an article about last week, it's been true for two-year -- >> about the legislators -- >> the legislative in the various states that you've got 24 states if the republicans get together they can turn the state into hong kong or texas. you have 13 maybe 14 states if the democrats because they could turn their state into greece or california. >> we are in washington and the wording goes back to 86, right? >> yes. pa
reporting the president obama and house speaker john boehner were talking over the weekend. connell: rich edson is on the story in d.c. rich: congressional and white house staff are still meeting. they last got together two weeks ago. congressional aide say they are still waiting for another invitation from the white house for the second meeting. two sources close to negotiations confirmed that tim geithner is the point man. he has been arguing there is too little revenue from simply closing tax reductions. republicans refused that approach. >> if you can simplify this tax code and make it more flat, eliminate all kinds of loopholes and gimmicks and actually increase revenue without raising the top marginal rate which most economists say would hurt this economy if we were to do it. rich: there is some discussion in washington about increasing it for a higher rate than what the president wants. the president wants it for $250,000 a year. a threshold will not make that much of a difference. raising the threshold to a half-million would mean 7 billion was to the treasury over the next decade
with changes to medicare and medicaid. so you have republicans like john boehner the house speaker saying you can't just make tax changes in the short term and promise down the road you will cut spending, you will reform medicare. this is where the debate is headed. both parties are split even more than we have seen with this development. you have the white house suggesting they want to deal with the tax part of this. and the republicans saying let's see the spending cuts. megyn: i don't see -- what would make the republicans in terms of just a sheer bargaining power. what would make them agree to tax hikes on the rich if they didn't get spending cuts? it's the one thing they don't want and they are holding sort of those middle class taxes and the other side they are holding them hostage, right, the democrats say that. but they are sort of holding out -- we are not going to raise tax for anybody until we get our spending cuts. >> reporter: jay carney in one of his other answers to a question suggested the pressure on republicans and everyone, is that there is a deadline on the so-called fisca
in elections in years to come. i think that they realize from john boehner the speaker of the house to mitch mcconnell somewhat in the senate. on down, that the kinds of extreme policies that we saw in the republican primary, mitt romney, rick santorum, michele bachmann et cetera those policies are not going to win over hispanics. they're not going to win over asian americans. >> jennifer: you are not going to see i predict a super pac that is a pro-choice republican super pac though, right? that's an issue they won't touch. >> i believe that abortion is an issue that they will not touch. they -- they saw what happens when you anger women voters in this country independents, republicans and democrats but abortion i think -- the republican party is not there yet. i don't know if they will ever get there. >> jennifer: well instead of republican moderates, shouldn't we just issue democratic cards to the membership, cards to the democratic party? i don't see how they're going to do it. you have mayor bloomberg's super
with john boehner this weekend and expressed confidence the deal can't be reached before the deadline. that's what most americans want. in the the latest poll. >> when you're $16 trillion in debt, the only pledge we should make to each other is to avoid. >> you signed it 20 years ago, 18 years ago is for that congress. the world has changed. >> joining me now is the man in the middle of this storm, grover norquist. grover, welcome to you. >> good to be with you. >> you can't comply on the bounty the mutiny has begun: >> it's funny to watch a senator or congressman who got himself elected by promising the citizen of his state that he would go to washington to reform government and not to pay taxes. when the going gets rough he wanted to debt ceiling increase. the same cast of chakts are turns in the homework for the second tyne two years later and there's not a snowball rolling. the good news is the people that gave a commitment to the american voters. for four years president obama has not reined in spending. all he did is demand $1.6 trillion of tax increase so he can spend more money, not
of the republican party. a lot of people think it's john boehner. is it this guy right here? [ buzzer ] not him. a lot of people think it's grover norquist. is it grover? no not him either. [ buzzer ] so who is it? you got to understand, the politicians take their orders from their donors. and grover norquist is not the mr. donor himself. he funnels the donor money. who is actually in charge? these guys. this is lloyd blankfine and david coast, they're also on this thing called the ceo fiscal leadership council. what is that? that's a bunch of ceos who got together and said, all right no more being zealot, increases or any kind of revenue increases fine. but obama is offering an awesome deal. let's take it, it's over. they're sending their messages out to the republican senators and congress saying it's time to make a deal. this deal still kicks ass for us. we'll cut the living hell out of what we call entitlements, social security and medicare and medicaid. lloyd blankfein listen to what he said about so-called indictmentment. >> you'll have to lower people's expectations, the entitlements and
do you do that? well, john boehner went to the white house ten days ago and said republicans in the house are willing to put revenues on the table. that was a big move, right? >> a big move? huh? the gop has always been open to raising revenue. governor romney even promised to do that. it seems awfully similar to what speaker boehner offered a year ago during debt talks. >> we have an agreement on a revenue number. there was an agreement on some additional revenues. >> i stuck my neck out a mile and i put revenues on the table. >> revenues on the table? the gop is essentially offering the same thing they did a year ago. plus, they want to keep tack rates for the wealthy the same. they want to cut entitlements, postpone pentagon cuts, and now they are putting health care on the table. mr. cantor says the gop has presented a big move. nah. losing an election is big. i'm still waiting for the move part from them. joining me now is jared bernstein, msnbc contributor and former chief economist for vice president joe biden and michelle cottle, washington correspondent for newsweek
. >> brian: house democrats going along with maybe john boehner caucus to pass it. that is how divided it could be. it could cost them the house. when it's said and done and we're sitting here on december 31, emergency session of five five -- i'll be here in case of injury -- there will be sitting there saying this is deal we got to cut. we got to get the democrats to come along with republicans. >> dana: aside from politics i don't think enough people are talking about what is the right policy and the right answer and solution to get the economy going again? see that social security and medicare is saved for the next generation. >> eric: one quick point, can we as five or the con seventives, bob you should be interested in this, too. forget social security. we pay to the social security system. it's self-fulfilling. >> bob: they pay in medicare, too. >> eric: but we way with payroll and fica to social security. government raids social security. only reason that social security is on table they took $2 trillion we paid into it. >> bob: dana's question do you want transparency and grove
. >> obama did come to table on certain things, as did john boehner, unfortunat unfortunatea tea party guys came to the table. neil: that is mark. >> once again year irrelevant. this is the tea party guys fault. this is against mainstream, all of them want big spending, that is what they are looking for, maintaining a big government is in their interest, people cannotment it any more despite electoral results exit polling show people' less deficit, less debt they are worried about long terlong-term financial security. >> they said they would like to raise taxes on 1% of earners. >> they are so evil. >> thank you very much. you might have heard about this you get a blue flu shot every year this time, what if i told you, there is a place, you don't you, there is a place, you don't get a flu with the spark cash card from capital one, sven gets great rewards for his small business! how does this thing work? oh, i like it! [ garth ] sven's small business earns 2% cash back on every purche, everday! woo-hoo!!! so that's ten security gators, right? put them on my spark card! why settle for less? t
package. we should not take ironclad positions. i would say john boehner has put together pretty good package and has been conciliatory in his language. host: that was yesterday. we are asking republicans what you think about indications from some republicans that they are willing to break their anti-tax pledge. here's the washington post story -- we will go to the phones to hear from kiev and, joining us from stafford, virginia. good morning. caller: good morning. if you listen very carefully, peter keane and even saxon chambliss and lindsey graham all said the same thing. we want revenue and are willing to generate revenue, but not by raising taxes. it is very simple. the president does not want to -- the president only wants to tax the rich because he said it during the campaign about 1 million times. millionaires and billionaires. a family of two that makes $250,000 a year are not millionaires. the problem is we are not opposed to revenue. we are opposed to a tax increases. lindsey graham said exactly that and peter king did too. it is against raising taxes. there are other ways t
speaker john boehner said he would prefer closing loopholes and tax deductions rather than raising rates. martha: thank you very much. bill: the budget negotiations with congressional leaders started a few weeks ago with president obama barack obama calling for $1.6 trillion in additional tax revenue over the next decade. treasury secretary timothy geithner argues that you cannot raise enough revenue to reduce the deficit by only limited tax breaks as some republicans argue, some senior republican aides they say believe a likely compromise would generate about a trillion dollars in new tax revenue possibly by limiting the deductions. martha: part of this whole equation. any future spending cuts should come gradually warned the global economic watchdog so as not to derail the already weak recovery. the group predicts the economy will grow a bit next year but at a slower rate than originally thought. we are really in a very slow growth pattern. they are projecting 2% next year compared with 2.6% which was the forecast from a few months ago. that kind of gross does not get you up off the ma
, though, is that president obama did reach out to house speaker john boehner. he is the republican, the senate majority leader harry reid the democrat over the weekend, perhaps to try to jump-start the talks. as of now, as the house of representatives comes back today, as the senate came back yesterday, we're still very much in limbo on the fiscal cliff. >> here's something else we know. some major republicans have come out and they say that they don't feel bound by the americans for tax reform pledge. most recently we saw house majority leader eric cantor. do you believe more republicans will stick by this? >> what we're finding out right now zoraida is that there's a little bit of coming to jesus moment about how to fix the fiscal cliff. for republicans perhaps it is going to be higher taxes. for democrats there's going to have to be some changes to entitlement reform. but grover norquist has been really the person pushing this no tax pledge, has been on our airwaves. he's been talking a lot about it. let's hear what he had to say about republicans who might break the pledge. >>
between president obama and house speaker john boehner. now i just heard from a white house official that tom done house, the head of the u.s. chamber, john engler, the head of the business u.s. roundtable are in the white house today meeting with staff. there hasn't been a lot of negotiating progress. i still think there is a generally optimistic mood this will get done but we have a lot of hard bargains between now and the end of the year. >> one of the sort of controversial men in the middle here has been grover norquist, one of the few guys in washington who goes by his own name, grover. his first name, i should say. there are reports that some republicans who signed his no tax hike pledge are backing away from him. in the "wall street journal" saturday, he said, no, nobody's backed off. what's the truth here? >> well, he's wrong about that. they are backing away from him. but i have to say, tyler, this is an issue that's much bigger than grover norquist pcht republican party has staked out tax issue for a long time. it is not because of one individual and the pledge, although he
votes for something in the middle. it depends on whether john boehner is willing to risk his speakership to -- >> nancy pelosi will have a role too. one has the sense that the leaders of the parties have fear sequester and fear going over the cliff. they don't want it even as members in their parties are starting to talk more about sequester as actually a way out and a way out that puts the other side on the david petraeus. >> meanwhile, maybe they should watch the movie before they make the deal. >> that's what i wrote that the president had the screening of "lincoln" at the white house which i was not at but should have a regular 4:00 showing and everybody should come down, sit in the nice sits, eat the popcorn and recognize a few things from the president's point of view that nice words and lofty speeches, gettysburg address are wonderful but we also need sort of hard-headed a little bit sleazy deal-making lobbying to go along. >> movies that -- >> wonderful. >> to go along with it and from the point of view of congress, that congress can rise above itself, can rise above partisanship
's talk raw numbers here. at the end of the day you have to find 218 house members. and in the past john boehner has said and, oh, by the way, his election is after the fiscal cliff. that happens a couple days after the fiscal cliff. so all of this maneuvering is complicated. to get to 218 he has said he wants a majority of the majority, which is approximately 120 republicans, so then you have to find some nearly 100 democrats to do this as well, and if that has social security and medicare in it, can it happen? >> you are not going to have a deal that only has taxes and doesn't do anything about entitlements. that's not acceptable even no those who indicated they would defy the mythical grover norquist. so maybe not social security but medicare and medicaid, it's hard to believe you don't have a deal that includes those as well. what do we have in a compromise? no one is happy with it and everyone thinks it's important enough to go ahead and do. >> brad, very quickly, will boehner be willing to go to the floor without the majority? >> i think boehner will negotiate the best deal he can
on democrats to give away the store here. >> gloria, didn't the president when he tried that deal with john boehner that didn't work out, didn't he agree to significant cuts in medicare? >> he did. there were almost there once before. there are different stories about who moves the goalposts in that negotiation. if i were the president and i were going to van, i would say, look, this president has an opportunity right now to shape the future of american budgets. the blueprint for the american economy and for american spending priorities for a decade to come in this particular deal. if i were the president, i would say, look, it's not going to be perfect, but we really do have an opportunity here. i have an opportunity as president. united states to lead this country into fiscal solvency if each side gives a little bit. >> let me speak up for van -- >> van, hold on a second. i want ross to wrap it up. >> well, i was just going to say i disagree completely with van on the policy. i think over the long run if you look at the growth rate in medicare and the fact that every year that you don't c
, when he tried that deal with john boehner, he didn't he agree to significant cuts in medicare? >> yeah, he did. they were almost there once before. and there are different stories about who moves a goal post in that negotiation, but i would argue. if i were the president and i were going to van, i would say, look, this president has an opportunity right now to shape the future of american budgets, the blueprint for the american economy, and for american spending priorities for a decade to come. in this particular deal. and so if i were the president, i would say, look, it's not going to be perfect, but we really do have an opportunity here, and i have an opportunity as president of the united states to lead this country into fiscal solvency again. if each side -- we can't get what's perfect. >> but let me speak up for van. >> hold on a second, i want ross to wrap it up. >> well, i was going to say, i think i disagree completely with van on the policy, i think over the long run, if you look at the growth rate in medicare and the fact that every year you don't change social security, it
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